He said we don't have to be ?? you can go to Kigali Rwanda and it's cleaner than a lot of American cities. They don't have big street crews; they have all these volunteers out doing it. It's amazing.

I got the Rwandans and helped the Haitians. The President of Haiti got them to do it, and then started organizing all these street crews. He needs to pay people to do that. He had to put people to work down there. But they started as a volunteer day, and it was markedly clear it was helping.

So I think what Paul Kagame and the people of Rwanda proved to me is you could actually have an impact on behavior. You can organize. If you can get the right kind of psychology you can change the behavior.

In America, you have to do it in a more voluntary way. You have to make an argument, make it fun, make it interesting, and you have to get information out to people about how they and their children's lives will be affected by it.

I don't think there is any question we can do it. Like I said, if you just look at what happened so far ?? and I think that the baby boomer thing is really important.

Ten years ago, little more than that, right before my term ended, there was a terrible tornado in Arkansas that ripped up a lot of the old part of Little Rock, including a lot of the governor's mansions where Hillary and Chelsea and I lived for many years. So I went down and visited and everything, and before I left town, I had 20 people that I went to high school with come for a barbecue. They just came over and we were sitting and talking.

There weren't three people there that hadn't made more than $50,000 a year. They didn't go to college. And I went around the table and I asked every one of them what they were worried about. Three?quarters of them said the thing that bothered them the most was that when all of us retired, the burden of the baby boomer retirement will be so great, that our children will have to spend so much on us they wouldn't be able to properly educate our grandchildren.

These are not wealthy people or particularly well?educated people. They're just good, solid, hard?working American people with a lot of common sense. I still think all that is there. Even with all of these economic problems and everything else. In fact, it may intensify. So that's why I think we've got a chance to affect a sea change in the way Americans behave.

MIKE McCALLISTER: As a company, I can tell you we put a lot of energy and time and research into this. We all know what we need to do to be healthy. We've known for decades: Eat less, get exercise, quit smoking. It's straightforward.

The doctors have told us this forever, and people aren't doing it. So it's going to take some different approaches and a different way to communicate and motivate and incentivize to get people to have more interest and fun in doing this.

This angle is quite powerful, this idea of not being a burden on the next generation. It comes in a number of forms. What you do with your own health will have an impact on those generations.

PRESIDENT CLINTON: But don't you pick it up in what you do and everything?

MIKE McCALLISTER: Absolutely. It's very powerful. I'm supporting that premise, absolutely, because we are going to have to find a different way. That's part of what we're going to try to accomplish here is let's find a way to start connecting these sort of activities and everything from the health care summit itself, which really has a chance to raise the bar on an a difficult conversation, as well as connecting it to something that people have fun in their lives and figure out how to get some measurements, and metrics and fun and change the debate in the conversation a little bit. Because what we've been doing for the last 50 years is clearly not working.

PRESIDENT CLINTON: Also, there may be a way, though I'm doing everything I can to bring this horrible economy to an end, but there may be a way that the current economic circumstances could facilitate this by getting people looking at more affordable, close at hand ways to be with their families and do things that are exciting but low cost stuff.

Q. Mr. President, what is your dream foursome?

PRESIDENT CLINTON: Hmm? I would like to have played a round of golf with Harry Vardon, whose golf books I have read and actually have two of them in the first edition. He was a smart rascal. And Bobby Jones and probably Sam Sneed. I never got to play golf with Sam Snead. When he was 82, he wanted me to play with him, and he said he would not take more than a thousand dollars from me.

Q. What is on your bucket list of golf courses? Anyplace you'd like to play that you haven't?

PRESIDENT CLINTON: Yeah, I have never played some of the greatest American courses I've never played Augusta National. I've never played at Pine Valley, New Jersey.

Q. Have you received invitations to play there?

PRESIDENT CLINTON: Well, I never played Augusta because too many secret service. So after that (Inaudible). You know, I have a wife and daughter that don't like the no women policy, so I dealt with that for several years.

But I'd like to play those courses. I played most of the courses around California. I've never played in Bandon Dunes in Oregon. I never played that great Nebraska course. There is all this controversy about whether the pipeline should be there, whether you can run the pipeline safely into the sand dune.

I like to play (Inaudible) courses. So I played some (Inaudible). I'd like to go out there and play the old course at St. Andrews. I had a pretty good record.

Q. Is there still someone on your bucket list that you haven't played with that you'd like to play with?

PRESIDENT CLINTON: I don't know, probably a lot. I like playing golf. Amy Alcott, I played with her in California, and it was fun. She gets mad if I outdrive her. But I like playing with Greg Norman. I like playing with Fred Couples.

I played with Tiger Woods one day on the course he grew up on. He said these greens are very hard. I three?putted nine greens.